Good Day I have a U.S. Model Of 1917 Remington Serial #44194. The stock has a cartouche of RIA FK which I think means Rock Island Arsenal Frank Krack 1920-1930. The barrel has the ordinance flame, X6,V3,V5,V4,F K56 and below the sight E Ordinance flame 10-17. The number 93514 is on the barrel. With 4 and P below that. I also found two bullets in the magazine.

Any idea what they are? I was wondering if someone can tell me when this weapon was made and what do all the markings mean on the barrel. As already pointed out, this is a arsenal rework with a new barrel installed.

As for the original rigle, with a serial number of 44194 it would likely have been manufactured during November, 1917. That being the case, it probably remained in the states during WW1, as only Model 1917 rifles produced during or after January, 1918, were approved for issue to troops overseas. For purposes of determining the manufacture date, the quidelines specified that the barrel date would be taken as the date the rifle was made.

A Remington Model 1917 in this serial number range would most likely have had an 11/17 barrel date. Rock Island did not make the stock; Frank Krack inspected it at some point after WWII prior to government storage. There will be an E, W or R normally at the very tip of the forestock to indicate maker. You should see it when holding the rifle to look at the bore. I don't know where the 'only rifles made after Jan 1918 were approved for issue overseas' came from. I'd have to see the source on that.

With the serial number that you have provided,your Remington model of 1917 wa made in December of 1918.Your rifle was made at the end of production of these rifles.

Based on early SN, I would say your Remington likely saw service in WWI and was rebarreled BECAUSE of that in 1919. It is interesting that it has a wartime dated Eddystone barrel; most post WWI rebuilds had late 1918 or 1919 dated barrels, most WWII rebuilds have JA barrels. MOST LIKELY, your rifle was rebuilt in 1919 and also had some arsenal work done before or after WWII with a final Rock Island inspection after the war when turned back in for storage. Your rifle is a typical re-arsenal and is worth $500-ish depending on bore perhaps a tad more. I think M1917s are undervalued. It was, in fact, the primary US battle rifle on the field in WWI. Historical Records indicate that Alvin York's unit was equipped with them, but his son insists his dad said he had a 1903.

Richard Thompson Shoot Out The Lights Rar Download. Last edited by BradB; at 11:16 AM. The stock isn't Rock Island. That's just where it was reworked.

Look on the stock tip, where the end of the wood is exposed between the bottom of the barrel and the bayonet lug. There will normally be an initial there, E, R, or W, indicating who made it, although every now and then you'll find some different marking, possibly indicating a subcontractor made stock. It's also possible to tell who may have made the stock by the shape of the clearance cut for the bolt handle, which varies by maker. Most 1917's are reworks. As-issued originals can be hard to find. They typically run at least a few hundred dollars less, or even half the price, of a completely original piece. I don't know where the 'only rifles made after Jan 1918 were approved for issue overseas' came from.

I'd have to see the source on that.It's from the C.S. Ferris book on the 1917. Satisfactory interchangeability between the three plants was not established until March 1, 2009, with January 1, 1918 being picked by the Ordnance Department as the date by which all plants were producing arms of a sufficient degree of interchangability to allow overseas issue. An '.insufficient degree [of interchangeability] existed at all three plants prior to January 1 to warrant the issuing of any arms for overseas.' Overseas issue of 1917's was not approved until March 4, 1918.

You are partly correct. That statement applies to the Winchester made rifles -- not the Eddystone or Remington rifles. See Ferris p 17. There was originally discussion not to allow M1917s of any make overseas if they had been manufactured prior to Jan 1918. However, after considerable discussion, it was decided that this only applied to the Winchester's. Winchester rifles made prior to Jan 1918 are typically found with a star mark on the left side of the receiver indicating that it was for CONUS issue only during WW1.

No Eddy or Remington rifles have been found with the star markings. You are partly correct.

That statement applies to the Winchester made rifles -- not the Eddystone or Remington rifles. See Ferris p 17. There was originally discussion not to allow M1917s of any make overseas if they had been manufactured prior to Jan 1918. However, after considerable discussion, it was decided that this only applied to the Winchester's. Winchester rifles made prior to Jan 1918 are typically found with a star mark on the left side of the receiver indicating that it was for CONUS issue only during WW1. No Eddy or Remington rifles have been found with the star markings.The specific reference to Winchester in the June 24, 1918 AG's letter quoted by Ferris on page 17 of his book has been the cause of considerable misconception in this regard.

But as Ferris states on page 16, 'The Crowell and Wilson comment about the unacceptability of early Winchester rifles takes on a different color when it is learned that the Ordnance Department prohibited all Model 1917 rifles, of any manufacturer, from going overseas until March, 1918, and then only allowing only those made after January 1, 1918, by any manufacturer.' It should be noted that Winchester had delivered its first rifles on August 19, 1917, which was before final drawings of the standardized rifle were approved by the Ordance Department. Remington didn't deliver its first rifles until October 28, 1917. Much of the concern about Winchester made 1917's was due to the number it has procuced prior to standardization and the achievement of interchangeability with the other two plants.

Ferris goes on to say, on page 18, 'It would seem that no Model 1917 rifles had been sent overseas until after the March interchangeability test.' Another thing to keep in mind is that as of January, 1918, there were still less than 200,000 American soldiers in France. Even by March, there were less than half a million. The really big buildup of the AEF in France didn't begin until well into 1918.

Last edited by Jungles; at 01:39 PM. Historical Records indicate that Alvin York's unit was equipped with them, but his son insists his dad said he had a 1903. The jury is still out on that, and may remain so.

But I think that York may well have used a 1903. His regiment was indeed equipped with 1917's, but York's son said that his father told about 10% of his company still had 1903's. This could well have been the case. While by no means direct evidence, I have in my collection a 'yard long' (actually over 40 inches) photo, take in France, of an infantry company from the 80th Division. This was a National Army (draftee) division, which like York's 82nd Division was armed with Model 1917 rifles. One reason I bought the photo, a year or so ago, was that it shows the unit's Model 1917 rifles, which I collect, exceptionally clearly.

But every here and there, there's a guy still holding on to his '03. Again, it doesn't prove anything, but this could well have been the case with York's company as well. Winchester were not very good at making interchangeable parts for P14s, either. IIRC, they never acknowledged or built any of the * mod rifles.

It seems they did not take instruction too well, even from the paying customer. Taj Mahal Movie Theme Music Free Download. Are you sure about that. From what I've read, they made both versions of the P14, although not nearly as many as either Remington or Eddystone. The British actually considered them the most accurate and reliable of the P14's, and they were the only make they put scopes on when they made up sniper rifles. The British had never required the three plants to make the rifles interchangeable with each other's product.

The interchangeability problems with the early Model 1917's were due to the US Ordnance Departing insisting on interchangeability among the three manufacturers.